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July 02 2015 @ 02:45 pm
This is not racist!  
I have never been a big fan of the Condfederate flag but I know it has nothing to do with racism. This flag is about Southern Pride and always has been. This flag was never used to commit atrocities the world over.

People have pointed out that KKK members often have this flag. I believe these are probably Southerners but they also carry the American Flag. You can't say some object is racist just because a horrible person has it or likes it. A racist group could decided they love Burger King. That doesn't mean Burger King is racist. It is an object people and one that for over a hundred years has represented the States of the South that have Pride in being from the South.

Yes, originally they used this flag as a symbol of the country they wished to have as they split from the US but that didn't happen. And regardless of the reasonings behind the Civil War this flag has been more about being Southern and never had a thing to do with the color or ones skin.

Instead of telling the people of the South to stop waving this flag that some bastard liked (again so to people all over this country who are not horrible people) ask those who have Pride in their flag to display it in mourning (half mast) for those who lost their lives. This is a good way to tell the world it isn't okay to go around hurting people.

I'm getting sick and tired of the crazy ideas that this or that is racist or supporting something awful. I feel like there is just a group of people who are tossing these thoughts out there and trying to distract us from what real racism is! Racism is about hating people because of the color of their skin and it isn't about one race. It is about all races. If someone hates me because I'm white... it is racism. If someone hates my niece because she's Mexican... they are racist. If someone hates my friend because she's black.... they are a racist. Hating someone or thinking they are less than human because of their skin color is SICKENING and evil. We are all humans here and we should care about one another.

And I'm appauled at TV Land for dumping re-runs of The Dukes of Hazzard which is a fun loving show which never had a thing to do with race or prejudice the entire time it was on! Have a backbone TV Land and tell the masses of people who will believe anything the truth instead of the revisionist thoughts and history being spewed but those thinking they are standing against racism but instead are spreading hate for those people who just want to show pride for the area of the US they live in. I would rather you start banning shows that are supporting drug abuse and other horrible things. Come on.

Shortly after the attack, photos surfaced showing alleged shooter Dylann Roof burning one American flag and stepping on another, while waving and posing provocatively with Confederate banners.

So?! So you are telling me that if he's been waving the American Flag instead we'd be burning our flag? Or what if he was waving a state flag or maybe he'd be hold anything else in his hand. You do realize these crazy people shop at the same stores we do. They go to the same restaurants. They could like a million things we do and because some prick decides to committ a sickening and EVIL act we should look at a picture and point fingers at all those around us and scream racism???

This is intorlerance at its best. I'm with John Schnieder who said to spend our time loving each other rather than all this hating....

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tracyj23: AoS - May - sadtracyj23 on July 2nd, 2015 11:47 pm (UTC)
Word. Absolutely. Once upon a time the symbol that the Nazis used was innocent too, it just co-opted by them and became a symbol of evil.

And I totally agree, these days you can't say or do anything without people pointing fingers and saying you're racist or against something. Regular folks can't be honest with their thoughts in case someone might yell racism at them, even if it isn't actually racist, because then the witch hunt begins. In fact the whole racism issue has become like the witch hunts of long ago. You don't even have to be proven to have said or done anything racist, if someone accuses you you've already been tried in the court of public opinion and are condemned. Better for regular folk to say nothing at all, and that goes against the whole freedom of speech thing so that's not right either.

The world is crazy nowadays. I wish people could just all be people. Everyone respect everyone else and the world would be a much better place!
Jill aka Jo: SPN: Dean & Sam really?sireesanwar on July 3rd, 2015 12:09 am (UTC)
Exactly. I mean the Nazi's really really ruined a symbol of peace and I completely get why the swastika should be forgotten for the simple fact that the ideals of many tainted it's original meaning.

I totally agree with you there. We are now in the Racism Trails. It is true. All these police shootings are a perfect example of this. Some I do believe were the police in the wrong but when an officer of the law goes to arrest someone and they attack them, they have the right to shoot that person... and it doesn't even matter what color skin they have. Why are you resisting the police anyway? Be rational and calm about things. You can prove them wrong if they are.

It is. And the thing that kills me is that people are up in arms about a flag which has always been about happy Southern people but don't even flinch when horrible Communist dictators are toted as wonderful people. This world is getting so screwed up.

Edited at 2015-07-03 12:20 am (UTC)
tracyj23: Butterflytracyj23 on July 3rd, 2015 01:09 pm (UTC)
People's rights and freedoms are being taken away everywhere. You can't say anything anymore for fear of offending someone (and then being sued or arrested), and even the governments are enacting laws (here too) to restrict people's freedoms, listen to phone calls, monitor all internet traffic and basically have the right to arrest you if they even think you MIGHT be doing anything wrong. Not that I believe people should be allowed to do anything they want, but there comes a time when we're living in a place that isn't democratic anymore when you're afraid to say or do anything for fear people will get you.

I totally agree about the police thing. It's crazy. There's the occasional event that's racist and unfair but on the whole the police do their job properly and if they happen to be arresting a black person, well, it's because that person committed a crime. Same thing applies here to native people (Indians, but we aren't allowed to call them that here). They're our "poor" population who always cries foul about everything and says they deserve everything because people cheated them 200 hundred years ago, and then when they commit crimes because they refuse to get jobs they yell foul and racism when the police get them. 80% of crime here is perpetrated by native people -- it's not racist, it's a fact. IF you want to change that fact then you have to start by changing yourself, not arguing people are being unfair to you.

Sorry, soapbox there. I have no issues with people of any colour, race or sexual orientation, I just hate when people think they're entitled to more or better than everyone else.
Jill aka Jo: Movie: Captain America Not Freesireesanwar on July 8th, 2015 11:51 pm (UTC)
Exactly. I mean yes there are terrible people and their are people doing bad things all the time but trying to prevent crime by restricting everyone just isn't freedom in any sense of the word.

Oh we have that with the Native American's too. I mean I totally get that they were harmed in the past. No denying it but why get stuck there? They only reason I can see to dwell on it would be because it is being denied as happening. The only thing is to remember things like that happened to prevent them from happening again.

It is so true. It tends to be poorer people here committing crimes. This is why I'm against the welfare system the way it is. I'm totally okay with helping people who need it but if only they were making them get jobs and dropping them in so much time. Here I think they've institutes drug testing which I totally agree with. If you are asking for a hand out there should be rules.

I mean everyone had hard times. There are people who need that help but there are also people who work there butts off to better their situation and those people, not matter their race, are people I respect immensely.

You know recently they wanted to make the word thug "racist". I was floored. But some public figure... can't remember who did a video (may have been a late show) asking people who they thought was a thug and showing them pictures. Pictures of different races of people who are dressed nicely and like gang members with pant hang off their butts. Everyone said the thugs were white, black or mexican who were dressed like gang members and the non-thugs were the black, white and mexican who were dressed nicely (not rice fancy but nice).

People cry foul because they are targeted by the police but the way you present yourself is the way you are perceived.
tracyj23: AoS - Coulson with cartracyj23 on July 10th, 2015 07:18 pm (UTC)
That last sentence is totally bang on. People really ought to think about their actions and their appearance because other people will judge you on them, regardless of how good or bad you think you are. You can't dress like a ho and expect people not to call you a hooker or dress in gang colours with chains and expect people not to call you a thug.
Jill aka Jo: Sherlock: SHsireesanwar on July 14th, 2015 08:16 pm (UTC)
It is true. People think it is awful but everyone has a tendency to judge a book by its cover.
tracyj23tracyj23 on July 15th, 2015 10:23 pm (UTC)
People are only human after all, and categorizing as a way of understanding people is what humans do.
Jill aka Jo: 100: Bellamysireesanwar on July 15th, 2015 11:07 pm (UTC)
It is true. People do it without malicious intent. But then we do it with everything so trying to prevent it a exercise in futility.
Angelserenitysangel on July 2nd, 2015 11:56 pm (UTC)
Well said. Been seeing a lot about this issue and it boggles my mind. As for the thing with Dukes of Hazzard. Really? Get a grip.

I swear the world is getting crazier and crazier by the day.

Jill aka Jo: SPN: The Boyssireesanwar on July 3rd, 2015 12:11 am (UTC)
Right? I know. The Dukes of Hazzard which as I recall was always about teaching right from wrong even though I'm pretty sure those Duke boys were moonshiners. LOL I can't believe the stupidity of people nowadays.

Next they will ban I Love Lucy because... we'll I'm not crazy so I don't know why but they'll do it. This goes against the freedom to have ideas and speak your mind. Basic human rights.
Angelserenitysangel on July 6th, 2015 10:16 pm (UTC)
Me neither. Sometimes I wonder if PC has gone a little too over the deep end. Don't get me wrong I'm all for PC as there are just some things that should not be. But wow sometimes it can be taken a bit far, as in the case of Dukes of Hazzard.

Just proves once more the world is on the verge of being totally bat shit crazy.
Jill aka Jo: Castle: Space Cowboysireesanwar on July 8th, 2015 11:53 pm (UTC)
I do think it has. People need to dial it back. I mean respecting each other and their beliefs is one thing but this??? Man.

Yes and the media doesn't help. Neither does Social Media. The media started this whole flag crap and what kills me is that the sheep of the world have reposted it and just agreed. A lot have no clue what they are talking about.
Angelserenitysangel on July 9th, 2015 09:18 pm (UTC)
Like so many things these days. They get out of hand.

That's the dangerous power of social media. I do get why some have an issue with the Confederate Flag and what it may represent to them but to take it as far as they have with the Dukes seems a bit overkill.
Jill aka Josireesanwar on July 14th, 2015 08:22 pm (UTC)
It is true.

I get it too but it hasn't become the world wide symbol of hatred like say the swastika. People are just attributing something to this flag which was a state flag and is part of other Southern state flags because of something they saw.

I feel like the world is just full of sheep willing to follow any trend whether it is based on something good or bad.
girlspellgirlspell on July 3rd, 2015 11:25 pm (UTC)
That flag is the battle flag of Northern Virginia. Why South Carolina wants to fly the flag of Northern Virginia, I have no idea. If they ran the official flag of the Confederate States of America, then thats different. That was an independent country that coined their own money, operated a economy based on slavery and had their own congress and president. There's a terrific documentary that indicates what would have happen if that country won. Read this:


The CSA instead of the USA. Hilarious Instead of The Star Spangled Banner, we'd be singing Dixie. The CSA would be the entire former United States, but also all of Central and South America. The only "free" territory would be Russian/Soviet Alaska and Canada. The "Cotton Wall" separates the CSA from Canada. Yes, and each state(including Brazil) would fly the battle flag of Northern Virginia.
Jill aka Jo: H50: Team Viewsireesanwar on July 8th, 2015 11:55 pm (UTC)
Right. Well the South has kind of adopted it rather than the real Confederate Flag which looks a lot like the American one. Still it doesn't make it racist at all.
girlspell: rolypoly making her movegirlspell on July 9th, 2015 12:19 am (UTC)
They couldn't adopt the actual CSA flag which looked like a drab version of the USA flag. That would not be legal. That would be like flying the flag of Liberia over the flag of the USA. So they get around this by flying one of the battle flags. The northern Virginia one. That is a sexy flag (if any flag could be called sexy) The bit about Brazil is true. Toward the end, while the CSA congress were scrambling to keep the country together, the president planned to flee to Brazil. To carve out their country there. I don't know what Brazil thought about that, but I'm sure they would have objected. There were some real fanatics in that government. A county built on agricultural slavery. No industry. Be thankful the CSA did not win. If France and the Great Britain joined against the USA, they would have won for sure. Former USA citizens would have fled to Canada. I truly believe the CSA would have annexed everything south of the border. They were that fanatic.
KSena: Nice be nice by faiithful@seastarcovekseenaa on July 4th, 2015 10:17 am (UTC)
This is so interesting. I'm just sitting over here in Sweden, scratching my head and wondering what the hell is going on with all them flags and patriotism south and north and west and east... It's hella confusing to me. :-) So I'm just not taking sides in the issue. As you say, let's just be friends, eh?
Jill aka Jo: TO: Klaus & Elijahsireesanwar on July 8th, 2015 11:55 pm (UTC)
Hey you can disagree with me too and we could still be friends.

Yeah, sometimes I'm not so proud to be an American. Those people be loco.
Jill aka Josireesanwar on July 8th, 2015 11:56 pm (UTC)
Love your icon
FANDOM WARRIORfandomwarrior on July 4th, 2015 01:21 pm (UTC)

So, contrary to popular belief, the Confederate flag does not do harm to the country? I've been reading hundreds of articles and the flag in question is always propagated as a flag that does harm...

To add, I can recall from one of the community forums I'm currently active on where disliking, say, a Person of Color means racism. I cannot understand the logic at all because all I know dislike does not equal hate. It's people's taste, but sometimes certain others take it in a very different light, and not in a good way of course.

If this article does give me an enlightenment, I give you props and be thankful to you for doing so. I'm considering to share this post of yours but I don't know, maybe I just keep it to myself perhaps to avoid unpleasant things.

Jill aka Jo: Sherlock: Mollysireesanwar on July 9th, 2015 12:04 am (UTC)
Yeah, I thought about not posting it but this type of just hate spewing over something so stupid is just maddening and I can't stand it.

Believe me I know what you mean. I'm not an Obama fan at all and do you know how many people told me I must be a racist??? Crazy people. I don't have to like a person and it doesn't matter what color his or her skin color is. And the same goes for liking someone. Why does their skin color matter beyond the fact that they are beautiful?
mosinging1986 on July 7th, 2015 03:32 am (UTC)
(Here via the Home Page, I think)

THANK YOU! Finally, someone SANE on LJ!

(And aw, John Schneider was one of my very first TV crushes.)
Jill aka Jo: Stock: Importance Be Nicesireesanwar on July 9th, 2015 12:06 am (UTC)
Hey. Thanks for stopping by and I'm stunned this is on the Home Page. Wow.

Shhh. Me too. Oh Bo Duke.
calcifermagnetcalcifermagnet on July 9th, 2015 02:35 am (UTC)
Racism dictionary definitions:

"Prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior."

"Poor treatment of or violence against people because of their race."

"The belief that some races of people are better than others."

"The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others."

"Discrimination or prejudice based on race."

Huh - three dictionaries, can't find the word "hate" in a single one of them!

In fact, when I talk about racism, I use the scientific definition: social systems, not individuals. So we're trying to have a discussion and we're not even using the same definition of the same words... we're in trouble.

And honestly - in the US - that is what most discussion of racism ends up turning into. One person starts talking social systems that unfairly favor one group or another, another person defends whatever is being discussed because "but that person doesn't have hatred in their heart!" ... which isn't even what the conversation was ever about.

The truth is: There is prejudice against southerners, especially southerners with a strong accents. Those stereotypes are hurtful and negative. So you think that southerners would say "Yes, I hear you. I'm stereotyped in hurtful ways too!" But that's not what happens. "I'm not a racist!!" ... that's the response.

I wonder: Who benefits from disadvantaged groups going at each other?

Anyways - only reason I'm posting here is because you seem like a reasonable level headed type. I actually do understand your point of view, just presenting another point of view - not so you'll agree, just so you can have some insight into it.
Jill aka Jo: Friends: Evesdropping in Barbadossireesanwar on July 14th, 2015 08:33 pm (UTC)
Yes, and yet everything in our lives now is about racism. I could fly the Confederate Flag and someone is likely to call me a racist but I don't think African Americans are inferior. The flag isn't about one race being better than another either.

And frankly I think those dictionaries are being "nice". Because if you do violence against a person because they are a different color than yourself... it is hatred. And hatred often goes along with racism.

But I believe you can see trends in our country. Some people are picked on more than others. Whether it be religion, race or whatever... treat people with respect and the world will be a better place.

I'm not entirely sure what your point was except that people connect racism with hate and it isn't part of the definition.

And thanks. I'm think I'm reasonable.... mostly. ;-)